Post by Brian on Jul 23, 2009 8:27:28 GMT -5
12/29/06 at 11:36 AM
Maria
To clear up the conflicting reports that the raisin cake Marie made on Christmas day in 1929 was buried as some people have said and that it was thrown out as a different person has stated let me say this: I spoke with the man this morning who claimed in the documentary that he had been the person to throw away the cake. He said he too had heard about the cake being buried. He said that all he could say for certain is that the ORIGINAL cake made by Marie was taken by Arthur very shortly after the murders and that the cake in it's original glass dome top container was stored in the attic of this man's parents home. This man is a direct relative of the family. He went on to explain that another cake was made a number of different times to replace the original cake that was on display in the cabin during the tours of the cabin. The raisins were replaced as well due to people stealing them off the cake. These replacement cakes may have very well been buried but the original cake was not. This man, a family member, who threw the original cake away in 1945 when Arthur died said that the glass dome cake cover was cracked and the cake had turned green and that he went out side and threw it away. I am repeating what I was told. I do not claim to know for a fact what happened.
Maria
03/03/07 at 05:01 PM
Maria
On December 29th last year I posted the above message in here. I now have some more information about this cake that a lady told me yesterday. She told me that her brother was at the Lawson cabin in 1942 and that he saw the cake in a drawer there of the dresser, the one shown in the photo of the murder scene, can anyone add anything they have heard or that they know about the cake. A gentleman in the documentary said he was the one who threw the cake out in 1945 after Arthur died. He said it had been stored in the attic of his parents home all those years until he threw it out. If so, what cake was it in that dresser drawer the lady's brother saw in 1942..the original cake or a substitute cake?
Maria
03/03/07 at 05:35 PM
pamtfloyd
Is it just me, or did anyone else find it kind of tacky that the raisin cake recipe was printed in the WC/BC book and the
new one? I'm not a literary genius or anything, but I remember when I got to the end of the first book and that recipe
was printed, I thought it was just insulting. Kind of making light of a tragic situation.....
pamtfloyd
03/05/07 at 02:59 PM
iluvnumber3
Making light of the situation is also selling baked pieces from the recipe at the end of the tours at the concession stand. That would bother me to purchase either items. I agree with finding out the truth and continously searching, but no one should make $$ off the dead like that. There is a difference in a few things. I can not believe the family did not say anything to Marion.
iluvnumber3
03/06/07 at 07:37 PM
Maria
RE0RUM:
No one ever mentioned blood being on the cake at any time. I truly doubt that at a sad and upsetting time that the Lawsons and everyone was going through, that anyone would be low enough to show the cake if it did have blood
on it.
MARIA
03/06/07 at 07:56 PM
douglasboulding
To Redrum,
I am a Lawson family member and I just want to tell you there was no blood on that cake. What kinda stupid post are you trying to put in here? There are some people who have no feelings for others or there losses and I think you are one . If you cant think of anything better to post than that, then don't post at all .That was one of the worse things I have heard yet.
keneth d boulding
03/06/07 at 08:00 PM
douglasboulding
Dear Maria, That post from redrum was the worst thing I have ever heard. Who do they think they are.that redrum I think has been in the rum part to long.
keneth d boulding
03/06/07 at 08:17 PM
sissy
Dear Doug,
I agree with you 100%. Being a family member myself I found REDRUM's comment to be rude, tacky, and very hurtful. That is the worst question I have ever seen in here that along with the one asking if they took the bloody sheets to the fair. They should be ashamed of themselves.
sissy
03/06/07 at 09:00 PM
douglasboulding
Dear Sissy,
Your absolutely right. Garbage like REDRUM put is totally uncalled for and unacceptable to the Lawson family as a whole. This is what caused the Lawsons to keep quiet and to never talk to anyone else about the tragedy. It's people like this that started up lies and half-truths, belittling the family members just to make themselves look big. How would they feel if it had been their family we had been talking about? I highly regard this message board to be a true and fair place for all people to comment and ask questions about the Lawson family; But please ONLY questions that are worth asking and answering. The obscenity of the comments made by REDRUM were totally uncalled for and over the top. As far as I go I will not answer ANY of their questions, in fact i will totally ignore everything they have to say.
They are unruly and STUPID people.
LAWSON FAMILY
keneth d boulding
03/07/07 at 12:15 AM
LLL
Hi Doug
I think redrum got that name from a movie called the shining were the little boy sees writing I think on a mirror which if you turn it around it spells murder. This movie if you haven't seen it stars Jack Nicholas and his family go out to a remote hotel which is closed all winter. Jack Nicholas character begins to see the spirits and they try to convince him to kill his wife and son and he goes completely insane, but his wife and son make it out. I think Stephen King wrote the book and made the movie.
LLL
03/07/07 at 12:36 AM
Maria
Dear Doug,
I am really sorry that you got hurt from someone in our message forum. When I first saw redrum's remark I cringed. It seemed so tasteless and un-called for. I was going to suggest that you ignore her from now on but I see that you made that decision on your own. I agree with you on that all the way. By and large our forum is made up of good and caring people who, while enjoying a spirited and in depth give and take discussion, we do not engage in petty and hateful comments. I am really glad you are part of our group and I always, always, look forward to your posts. You have made your self a valuable asset in here and have been more than generous to us all in sharing the knowledge that you have of the terrible tragedy that your family suffered that day in 1929. You are a good and courageous person Doug and I for one am more than proud to know you.
Maria
03/07/07 at 08:43 AM
pamtfloyd
Hi Doug,
I agree with you 100% also. And LLL, you are right, the name REDRUM is from the Shining with Jack Nicholson. As soon as I saw that name, I felt a bit uncomfortable and then read the posts and knew something was up. I just didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem to be beiing rude to anyone on the message board (like the last message I posted about the posters) so I didn't say anything. I'm glad you all called REDRUM on his/her msensitivityl Peace to everyone. ..Pam
pamtfloyd
03/07/07 at 09:02 AM
Maria
I don't know Lou. Can you elaborate more on what procedure you're using? I'll help if I can.
MARIA
03/07/07 at 09:22 AM
Maria
Hi Lou,
You can only click on your own name to see a profile or any other info. Due to privacy issues only moderators can view
anyone else's info such as how many times they have posted or what each of their posts says or their profile. I hope
this is helpful.
Maria
03/07/07 at 09:40 AM
Lou
Maria, you say I should be able to click on my own name and get my information but I can't, that is what I am trying, to say.
Thanks.
Lou
03/07/07 at 09:44 AM
Maria
My mistake, I'm sorry. I thought you could see your own posts since you had just deleted one of your own posts that you had just posted here. The one where you asked me why you couldn't access your posts. Just not anyone else's.
Maria
03/07/07 at 10:17 AM
jackhammer
Quote:
Originally Posted by douglasboulding
Dear Sissy,
Your absolutely right. Garbage like REDRUM put is totally uncalled for and unacceptable to the Lawson family as a whole. This is what caused the Lawsons to keep quiet and to never talk to anyone else about the tragedy. It's people like this that started up lies and half-truths, belittling the family members just to make themselves look big. How would they feel if it had been their family we had been talking about? I highly regard this message board to be a true and fair place for all people to comment and ask questions about the Lawson family; But please ONLY questions that are worth asking and answering. The obscenity of the comments made by REDRUM were totally uncalled for and over the top. As far as I go I will not answer ANY of their questions, in fact i will totally ignore everything they have to say. They are unruly and STUPID people. LAWSON FAMILY
End Quote.
Mr. Boulding, you are absolutely right in this post. The decendents of the Lawson family have been quiet for a long time about this story. The filmmakers have allowed for them to have this format to tell their side/s of the story. To share and to learn from others. When someone like "Redrum" and/or "noneofyourbusiness1" comes along, it seems that their only goal is to turn it into a circus show, to create discourse, and to turn people off to the message board. Perhaps their ultimate goal is to drive the story back into the closet. I am not a family member. But I do appreciate the family members that do come here and represent their side/s of the story. We all owe them the consideration of keeping this place civil, and leave out the nonsense posts. As of this post, "Redrum" has a grand total of 8 posts. Those posts have a grand total of 27 words. That is a total of 3.375 words per post. So, I'm guessing if we were trying to figure out who this poster is, we would look for a person that not a Lawson family member, someone that has nothing to contribute (and keeps letting us know that), and someone with a very limited vocabulary.
I think that your idea to 'totally ignore everything they have to say' is a good one. It seems as though "this one" is just looking for some attention, and is having a hard time finding any elsewhere.
Much of the evil in the world is brought about by people believing they are acting for good and righteous reasons. -
Margaret Weis
jackhammer
03/07/07 at 10:27 AM
Lou
Dear Doug, As a member of the Lawson's family. Your input is very valuable. As having the Lawson name in my family line also, they also were from Stokes county although I have not found any connection to Charlie so far. I found it hard to believe there is not a connection somewhere, I just haven't found it as of today, unless they just came from totally different location and settled in Stokes County. I, personally, would like to find Charlie Lawson not guilty! To me it is inconceivable that a man could do that do his wife and children no matter his reasons for doing so. He would indeed have to be a very, very sick man. This is just my personal opinion but I think it was a rushed to judgment, even if he did commit the crime. As it has been stated, the law enforcement that was there when the fatal gunshots were heard that took Charlie's life was too afraid himself to go and investigate. Some of the neighbors had to go and find Charlie. So this just say to me there was not a thorough investigation done. Even if Charlie did commit the crime, he was entitled to a fair trial but I guess you cannot try a dead man.
Lou
03/07/07 at 10:37 AM
Lou
Hi Maria, I can post and I can delete what I have just posted. I just cannot get in to see my profile. I deleted the one where I was asking the questions about my post because they really do not have anything to do do with what is being discuss here. I was just waiting for you to see and answer the last question.
Thank you for doing so.
Lou
03/07/07 at 10:39 AM
sissy
Jackhammer,
I totally agree with you that REDRUM should be ignored for their ignorant, tacky remarks yesterday. It takes a sick individual to come up with a remark about blood still being on the cake. That being said I would also say in the tacky remark catagory
Quote:
Did he take bloody sheets, beds, the CAKE, the guns, etc?
by ilovenumber3 ranks very high on that list too.
sissy
03/07/07 at 10:47 AM
iluvnumber3
I can not believe I was just placed in the same category as an ignorrant person!!!!! My quote was a question DIRECTLY from the "Meaning of our Tears" book. I was mearly asking a question from a quote from a lady that had went to one of the fairs!! That is what she said she SAW (bloody sheets, cribguns and the cake......from Marion)!! If you would READ all of my posts, it would have said that I was very AGAINST the fact this was made a spectical at fairs, etc. I was almost in tears when I read this just now. I have enjoyed this forum, and I have done nothing but ask questions, and I never meant to make comments that were taken out of text. Should I not ask questions if they are going to be turned into statements?
iluvnumber3
03/07/07 at 10:53 AM
douglasboulding
dear Lou i am sorry to say this but there is no doubt that charlie killed his family, even all the family said he did even my own dad who was with him 3 wks before the murders spending a week at his home helping him on the farm, i to wish he had not done it.
keneth d boulding
03/07/07 at 11:02 AM
jackhammer
I think that we would all like to believe that a parent would not be capable of killing their own children. And their spouse. Because we compare them to what we, ourselves are capable of doing, it seems almost impossible. Yet, we have John List, and Susan Smith, and Darlene Routier, and on, and on. For whatever reason, some people are just capable of doing It.
One of the things that points directly at Charlie (IMO) is the way the bodies were left. Pillows and rocks for pillows, cradling little Mary lou in her mother's arms. Who else would do something like that?
Much of the evil in the world is brought about by people believing they are acting for good and righteous reasons. -
Margaret Weis
jackhammer
03/07/07 at 02:04 PM
linda
Sorry you feel this way iluvnumber3, maybe your post was read wrong. As for this Redrum asking if blood was on the cake maybe he thought when the murders happened that some may have gotten on the cake for there was alot of blood in the room. I'm really trying to understand what's going on here.
linda smith
Maria
To clear up the conflicting reports that the raisin cake Marie made on Christmas day in 1929 was buried as some people have said and that it was thrown out as a different person has stated let me say this: I spoke with the man this morning who claimed in the documentary that he had been the person to throw away the cake. He said he too had heard about the cake being buried. He said that all he could say for certain is that the ORIGINAL cake made by Marie was taken by Arthur very shortly after the murders and that the cake in it's original glass dome top container was stored in the attic of this man's parents home. This man is a direct relative of the family. He went on to explain that another cake was made a number of different times to replace the original cake that was on display in the cabin during the tours of the cabin. The raisins were replaced as well due to people stealing them off the cake. These replacement cakes may have very well been buried but the original cake was not. This man, a family member, who threw the original cake away in 1945 when Arthur died said that the glass dome cake cover was cracked and the cake had turned green and that he went out side and threw it away. I am repeating what I was told. I do not claim to know for a fact what happened.
Maria
03/03/07 at 05:01 PM
Maria
On December 29th last year I posted the above message in here. I now have some more information about this cake that a lady told me yesterday. She told me that her brother was at the Lawson cabin in 1942 and that he saw the cake in a drawer there of the dresser, the one shown in the photo of the murder scene, can anyone add anything they have heard or that they know about the cake. A gentleman in the documentary said he was the one who threw the cake out in 1945 after Arthur died. He said it had been stored in the attic of his parents home all those years until he threw it out. If so, what cake was it in that dresser drawer the lady's brother saw in 1942..the original cake or a substitute cake?
Maria
03/03/07 at 05:35 PM
pamtfloyd
Is it just me, or did anyone else find it kind of tacky that the raisin cake recipe was printed in the WC/BC book and the
new one? I'm not a literary genius or anything, but I remember when I got to the end of the first book and that recipe
was printed, I thought it was just insulting. Kind of making light of a tragic situation.....
pamtfloyd
03/05/07 at 02:59 PM
iluvnumber3
Making light of the situation is also selling baked pieces from the recipe at the end of the tours at the concession stand. That would bother me to purchase either items. I agree with finding out the truth and continously searching, but no one should make $$ off the dead like that. There is a difference in a few things. I can not believe the family did not say anything to Marion.
iluvnumber3
03/06/07 at 07:37 PM
Maria
RE0RUM:
No one ever mentioned blood being on the cake at any time. I truly doubt that at a sad and upsetting time that the Lawsons and everyone was going through, that anyone would be low enough to show the cake if it did have blood
on it.
MARIA
03/06/07 at 07:56 PM
douglasboulding
To Redrum,
I am a Lawson family member and I just want to tell you there was no blood on that cake. What kinda stupid post are you trying to put in here? There are some people who have no feelings for others or there losses and I think you are one . If you cant think of anything better to post than that, then don't post at all .That was one of the worse things I have heard yet.
keneth d boulding
03/06/07 at 08:00 PM
douglasboulding
Dear Maria, That post from redrum was the worst thing I have ever heard. Who do they think they are.that redrum I think has been in the rum part to long.
keneth d boulding
03/06/07 at 08:17 PM
sissy
Dear Doug,
I agree with you 100%. Being a family member myself I found REDRUM's comment to be rude, tacky, and very hurtful. That is the worst question I have ever seen in here that along with the one asking if they took the bloody sheets to the fair. They should be ashamed of themselves.
sissy
03/06/07 at 09:00 PM
douglasboulding
Dear Sissy,
Your absolutely right. Garbage like REDRUM put is totally uncalled for and unacceptable to the Lawson family as a whole. This is what caused the Lawsons to keep quiet and to never talk to anyone else about the tragedy. It's people like this that started up lies and half-truths, belittling the family members just to make themselves look big. How would they feel if it had been their family we had been talking about? I highly regard this message board to be a true and fair place for all people to comment and ask questions about the Lawson family; But please ONLY questions that are worth asking and answering. The obscenity of the comments made by REDRUM were totally uncalled for and over the top. As far as I go I will not answer ANY of their questions, in fact i will totally ignore everything they have to say.
They are unruly and STUPID people.
LAWSON FAMILY
keneth d boulding
03/07/07 at 12:15 AM
LLL
Hi Doug
I think redrum got that name from a movie called the shining were the little boy sees writing I think on a mirror which if you turn it around it spells murder. This movie if you haven't seen it stars Jack Nicholas and his family go out to a remote hotel which is closed all winter. Jack Nicholas character begins to see the spirits and they try to convince him to kill his wife and son and he goes completely insane, but his wife and son make it out. I think Stephen King wrote the book and made the movie.
LLL
03/07/07 at 12:36 AM
Maria
Dear Doug,
I am really sorry that you got hurt from someone in our message forum. When I first saw redrum's remark I cringed. It seemed so tasteless and un-called for. I was going to suggest that you ignore her from now on but I see that you made that decision on your own. I agree with you on that all the way. By and large our forum is made up of good and caring people who, while enjoying a spirited and in depth give and take discussion, we do not engage in petty and hateful comments. I am really glad you are part of our group and I always, always, look forward to your posts. You have made your self a valuable asset in here and have been more than generous to us all in sharing the knowledge that you have of the terrible tragedy that your family suffered that day in 1929. You are a good and courageous person Doug and I for one am more than proud to know you.
Maria
03/07/07 at 08:43 AM
pamtfloyd
Hi Doug,
I agree with you 100% also. And LLL, you are right, the name REDRUM is from the Shining with Jack Nicholson. As soon as I saw that name, I felt a bit uncomfortable and then read the posts and knew something was up. I just didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem to be beiing rude to anyone on the message board (like the last message I posted about the posters) so I didn't say anything. I'm glad you all called REDRUM on his/her msensitivityl Peace to everyone. ..Pam
pamtfloyd
03/07/07 at 09:02 AM
Maria
I don't know Lou. Can you elaborate more on what procedure you're using? I'll help if I can.
MARIA
03/07/07 at 09:22 AM
Maria
Hi Lou,
You can only click on your own name to see a profile or any other info. Due to privacy issues only moderators can view
anyone else's info such as how many times they have posted or what each of their posts says or their profile. I hope
this is helpful.
Maria
03/07/07 at 09:40 AM
Lou
Maria, you say I should be able to click on my own name and get my information but I can't, that is what I am trying, to say.
Thanks.
Lou
03/07/07 at 09:44 AM
Maria
My mistake, I'm sorry. I thought you could see your own posts since you had just deleted one of your own posts that you had just posted here. The one where you asked me why you couldn't access your posts. Just not anyone else's.
Maria
03/07/07 at 10:17 AM
jackhammer
Quote:
Originally Posted by douglasboulding
Dear Sissy,
Your absolutely right. Garbage like REDRUM put is totally uncalled for and unacceptable to the Lawson family as a whole. This is what caused the Lawsons to keep quiet and to never talk to anyone else about the tragedy. It's people like this that started up lies and half-truths, belittling the family members just to make themselves look big. How would they feel if it had been their family we had been talking about? I highly regard this message board to be a true and fair place for all people to comment and ask questions about the Lawson family; But please ONLY questions that are worth asking and answering. The obscenity of the comments made by REDRUM were totally uncalled for and over the top. As far as I go I will not answer ANY of their questions, in fact i will totally ignore everything they have to say. They are unruly and STUPID people. LAWSON FAMILY
End Quote.
Mr. Boulding, you are absolutely right in this post. The decendents of the Lawson family have been quiet for a long time about this story. The filmmakers have allowed for them to have this format to tell their side/s of the story. To share and to learn from others. When someone like "Redrum" and/or "noneofyourbusiness1" comes along, it seems that their only goal is to turn it into a circus show, to create discourse, and to turn people off to the message board. Perhaps their ultimate goal is to drive the story back into the closet. I am not a family member. But I do appreciate the family members that do come here and represent their side/s of the story. We all owe them the consideration of keeping this place civil, and leave out the nonsense posts. As of this post, "Redrum" has a grand total of 8 posts. Those posts have a grand total of 27 words. That is a total of 3.375 words per post. So, I'm guessing if we were trying to figure out who this poster is, we would look for a person that not a Lawson family member, someone that has nothing to contribute (and keeps letting us know that), and someone with a very limited vocabulary.
I think that your idea to 'totally ignore everything they have to say' is a good one. It seems as though "this one" is just looking for some attention, and is having a hard time finding any elsewhere.
Much of the evil in the world is brought about by people believing they are acting for good and righteous reasons. -
Margaret Weis
jackhammer
03/07/07 at 10:27 AM
Lou
Dear Doug, As a member of the Lawson's family. Your input is very valuable. As having the Lawson name in my family line also, they also were from Stokes county although I have not found any connection to Charlie so far. I found it hard to believe there is not a connection somewhere, I just haven't found it as of today, unless they just came from totally different location and settled in Stokes County. I, personally, would like to find Charlie Lawson not guilty! To me it is inconceivable that a man could do that do his wife and children no matter his reasons for doing so. He would indeed have to be a very, very sick man. This is just my personal opinion but I think it was a rushed to judgment, even if he did commit the crime. As it has been stated, the law enforcement that was there when the fatal gunshots were heard that took Charlie's life was too afraid himself to go and investigate. Some of the neighbors had to go and find Charlie. So this just say to me there was not a thorough investigation done. Even if Charlie did commit the crime, he was entitled to a fair trial but I guess you cannot try a dead man.
Lou
03/07/07 at 10:37 AM
Lou
Hi Maria, I can post and I can delete what I have just posted. I just cannot get in to see my profile. I deleted the one where I was asking the questions about my post because they really do not have anything to do do with what is being discuss here. I was just waiting for you to see and answer the last question.
Thank you for doing so.
Lou
03/07/07 at 10:39 AM
sissy
Jackhammer,
I totally agree with you that REDRUM should be ignored for their ignorant, tacky remarks yesterday. It takes a sick individual to come up with a remark about blood still being on the cake. That being said I would also say in the tacky remark catagory
Quote:
Did he take bloody sheets, beds, the CAKE, the guns, etc?
by ilovenumber3 ranks very high on that list too.
sissy
03/07/07 at 10:47 AM
iluvnumber3
I can not believe I was just placed in the same category as an ignorrant person!!!!! My quote was a question DIRECTLY from the "Meaning of our Tears" book. I was mearly asking a question from a quote from a lady that had went to one of the fairs!! That is what she said she SAW (bloody sheets, cribguns and the cake......from Marion)!! If you would READ all of my posts, it would have said that I was very AGAINST the fact this was made a spectical at fairs, etc. I was almost in tears when I read this just now. I have enjoyed this forum, and I have done nothing but ask questions, and I never meant to make comments that were taken out of text. Should I not ask questions if they are going to be turned into statements?
iluvnumber3
03/07/07 at 10:53 AM
douglasboulding
dear Lou i am sorry to say this but there is no doubt that charlie killed his family, even all the family said he did even my own dad who was with him 3 wks before the murders spending a week at his home helping him on the farm, i to wish he had not done it.
keneth d boulding
03/07/07 at 11:02 AM
jackhammer
I think that we would all like to believe that a parent would not be capable of killing their own children. And their spouse. Because we compare them to what we, ourselves are capable of doing, it seems almost impossible. Yet, we have John List, and Susan Smith, and Darlene Routier, and on, and on. For whatever reason, some people are just capable of doing It.
One of the things that points directly at Charlie (IMO) is the way the bodies were left. Pillows and rocks for pillows, cradling little Mary lou in her mother's arms. Who else would do something like that?
Much of the evil in the world is brought about by people believing they are acting for good and righteous reasons. -
Margaret Weis
jackhammer
03/07/07 at 02:04 PM
linda
Sorry you feel this way iluvnumber3, maybe your post was read wrong. As for this Redrum asking if blood was on the cake maybe he thought when the murders happened that some may have gotten on the cake for there was alot of blood in the room. I'm really trying to understand what's going on here.
linda smith
