Post by Brian on Apr 20, 2013 9:04:40 GMT -5
11/04/07 at 06:37 AM
Maria
Here is a link to the article by Scott Sexton in today's newspaper regarding Michael Hayes going to see our documentary at the Halloween festival at Mordecai Historic Park last week. I think Scott presented an excellent story about it!!!!! He really put it together well. What I like most about it and found VERY interesting is how Scott fully grasped the situation involving the freedom Michael Hayes has to go anywhere in public he wants to go and how that affects people when they encounter him. Hayes' attorney missed the point altogether!!!!!! Karl Knusden said "I don't know why anybody is surprised to see him out, "There was a considerable amount of attention paid during the course of the hearing. It's (extended visitation) part of his treatment plan and has been in place for some time." But Scott Sexton's reply hit the nail on the head when he said True, but it's not every day that people come face-to-face with a killer at a public Halloween festival featuring a film about grizzly killings and wind up exchanging small talk. As I said in an earlier post, knowing he is free to work and go out in public when and where he pleases is one thing. But it's a whole different experience when you encounter him in person, especially on a dark night. If Karl Knusden is so comfortable with Michael Hayes being out here unsupervised, why doesn't he invite him over to his house for supper. It's like coming face to face with Jack the Ripper or Charlie Lawson. It's unnerving no matter what people think it might be like. The brain goes into panic mode temporarily and you have to stop and process it all. If you're one of those whose loved one was their victim the panic mode is severe and permanent. Not to mention the fact that to have so much freedom like that when you killed so many people is downright unfair. It says our justice system is sadly broken. Anyway, I'm really pleased with Scott Sexton's article.
www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagenane=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_ColumnistArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353369236
Maria
11/04/07 at 09:24 AM
Michael818
OK, Mr. Sexton did indeed do this subject some justice. It puts the fact of his limited freedoms out there, and shows what we think. This one was good. I haven't forgotten about that article I mentioned to you, Maria, I just can't, but he was really good here.
Michael R.
Michael818
11/04/07 at 09:30 AM
Maria
Indeed he was Michael. But I knew he would be, that's why he was my first choice for this story. I'm glad you like it.
Maria
11/04/07 at 11:22 AM
doodlebug
I just got home with the paper and was reading the article in the car....very good article! I He really did drive a few points home and the more that articles like this are written, the less chance that Michael Hayes has of walking the streets!
doodlebug
11/04/07 at 02:18 PM
ecalhoun
Good job getting the word out, mom! I enjoyed the article and the fact that Sexton got what the lawyer didn't about the reality of running into a killer in public being very different than hearing about it on the news.
Matt
ecalhoun
11/04/07 at 03:51 PM
hillbillyghosthunter
Maria good for you for standing up. I agree with you 100%. I am happy they published that article.
hillbillyghosthunter
11/04/07 at 05:23 PM
Michael818
You know, I wonder how that ***%&$@# lawyer would feel about it if it were someone he knew or loved who was murdered so coldly and brazenly, then HE ran into the %%$$%*&'"' out in public!
Michael R.
Michael818
11/04/07 at 05:36 PM
Maria
It would make a big difference I'm sure. But Karl Knusdan's role in all of this is to defend Michael Hayes and at that he's proven to be an excellent lawyer.
Maria
11/04/07 at 06:32 PM
NascarLover
Hey Maria, I just got back from Mrs. Miller's wake. I stopped and got you a paper with the article in it. I just read it in here though. It's very good. I like what Scott Sexton said a lot. I agree with you and Matt with what you said about it being different hearing and knowing that Michael Hayes is allowed to be out side the hospital so much and without supervision and running into him when he is out. It makes me real mad just to know he's out so I would be a lot more upset if I ran into him. I don't know what 1 would do if I were to see him face to face but whatever It would be he would not like it I guarantee you that.
T.C. Bowman
NascarLover
11/05/07 at 01:27 PM
Angel71242
The article was great...thanks for working to get it published Maria!
Angel71242
11/05/07 at 01:39 PM
Maria
All I did was call him..he did all the work!!
Maria
11/05/07 at 02:36 PM
LindaF
Wow, what a great article! I was at the event, but I didn't find out until later from Maria about Hayes being there and sitting just a few rows behind me during the screening. EGAD!
My favorite lines in the article are these two from Scott and then Maria:
"True, but it's not every day that people come face-to-face with a killer at a public Halloween festival featuring a film about grisly killings and wind up exchanging small talk."
"People already know he's allowed to work outside the hospital and go home," Hodges said. "But what takes you by surprise is when he shows up at a public gathering like that."
Linda
11/05/07 at 02:44 PM
Maria
Thank you Linda. I'm glad you got to see the documentary without knowing he was there!!! And I'm very glad you've joined our forum here.
Maria
11/05/07 at 03:41 PM
Michael818
Now, now. Doing something to Michael Hayes if you ran into him would do neither you nor your family any good. I assure you, you would go to jail too. Don't think so? Do it and see. I agree, he DESERVES to have something done to him, but that's not our place. Unless... you can do it and not get caught!
Michael R.
11/05/07 at 03:54 PM
doodlebug
The comment his lawyer made about not knowing why anyone is surprised to see him out.... Intellectually, you may know he has this freedom, it just takes something like this to show the reality of it. Knowing he had the ability to go out into public unmonitored is entirely different than running into him face to face...... Seeing his picture in the paper or seeing him on TV is so different than actually looking into the eyes of a monster.
doodlebug
11/05/07 at 05:20 PM
Maria
It really is Doodlebug. I never thought about it what it would feel like to see him before but when I saw him standing only inches from my face I froze. It just felt wrong to be face to face in such a place with someone who killed 4 people and was judged to be insane. I remember after I learned about what Charlie Lawson did and I saw that photo of him right after wards, I looked at his eyes and a coldness crept over me and I started shaking. And that was just looking at a picture of him. It no longer has that effect on me when I look at it but that's because I've seen it so many times and because he's dead and can't hurt me.
Maria
11/17/07 at 04:28 PM
Michael818
You know what, guys? I don't remember which edition it was, but there was a letter to the editor last week about Scott Sexton's article. The mor*** actually defended the system and the doctors trying to release the nutziod!!!!!! Can you believe it? Arrrrrrgh!!!!! Some people are just TOO bleeding liberal!!!!!
Michael R.
11/17/07 at 04:32 PM
Maria
I saw that. It's so easy to tell others how they should handle something that they themselves have never handled. I wrote him off as a fruit loop. Basically he was saying can't we all just forgive and forget and get along. I thought at first it was from Rodney King.
Maria
11/17/07 at 04:35 PM
Michael818
Rodney King?! Oh my GAWD!!!! Now THAT is funny!
Michael R.
01/03/08 at 07:09 AM
Maria
R.B Nicholson whose son was one of Michael Hayes's victims wrote this letter to the Winston-Salem Journal which is in today's edition. It echos my feelings exactly. Mr. Nicholson has been the most vocal of all the family members who lost a loved one that day to the insane behavior of Michael Hayes. He has never missed a single hearing for Michael Hayes regarding his release from Dorothea Dix Mental Hospital for the criminally insane. He has been instrumental in helping keep Mr. Hayes confined to the hospital for these past 20 years. I quote Mr. Nicholson's exact words here below:
Scott Sexton appreciates the abiding concern of the citizens of Forsyth, and several adjoining counties, for the Michael Hayes abomination ("Mail me ... " Dec. 20); the festering wound that neither time, nor the platitudes of the mental doctors, can heal. The fact is self-evident that Hayes wantonly murdered four people for no logical reason. Like Lady Macbeth, his hands will be forever stained with his victim's blood.
The simplistic opinion from G.B., which Sexton answered, assumes that the 1988 atrocity resulted from a brief psychotic break by Hayes. But the truth is that the Old Salisbury Road shootings were a statement of the abiding personality of Hayes; the person he was and always will be.
R.B. NICHOLSON
Winston-Salem
This person whose initials are G.B. and his simplistic view of Michael Hayes's illness that Mr. Nicholson and Scott Sexton were referring to was and I quote:
"If we put the emotional reactions aside, we can see that Michael Hayes has suffered, grown, aged, learned and benefited from the therapies he has received in Dorothea Dix Hospital," wrote G.B. That may be true, G.B., but I still don't want Hayes living in my neighborhood.
Scott Sexton
Maria
01/03/08 at 11:46 AM
Angel71242
Thank God for people like R.B Nicholson who help keep a murderer confined.
As for G.B. - if Michael Hayes had killed this person's son or daughter or spouse I bet they would feel differently. And I love Scott Sexton's reply to G.B.!!
Angel71242
01/03/08 at 11:57 AM
Maria
I really believe if it weren't for R.B. Nicholson Michael Hayes would have been released a good while ago. Victims impact statements have a lot of clout in matters such as the release of murderers. Leslie Van Houghton who participated in the Tate and La-Bianca murders engineered by Charles Manson nearly 40 years ago has been denied parole every year these past 25 years because of Sharon Tate's sister who has attended every single one of Van Houghtons parole hearings and has vehemently protested it.
Maria
01/03/08 at 04:22 PM
sissy
I feel so sorry for R. B. Nicholson. His son died and the man who killed him can walk around in public. I don't agree with temporary insanity pleas. I think if you snap and go crazy and kill somebody you are not going to be fine in a couple of hours.
sissy
01/06/08 at 03:18 PM
Michael818
I do not feel sorry for Hayes at all. He should suffer for all the lives he took, as well as the broken lives left behind by
those he killed. He should NEVER see green grass outside confinement walls again! I am glad this man keeps working
to keep this monster put away. His loss can NEVER be replaced, but he is seeing to it that this particular monster
doesn't hurt anyone else as long as he can. Though he probably doesn't think so, Mr. Nicholson is a hero!
Michael R.
01/06/08 at 06:20 PM
Maria
I agree 100% with R.B. Nicholson where he said: "The Old Salisbury Road shootings were a statement of the abiding personality of Hayes; who he was and who he always will be." I saw the 180 degree change from charming, polite, soft spoken, easy going Michael Hayes to the enraged, harsh tone voice, uptight Hayes in a short period of time. And that tells me that he is the same sick man he was when he committed those murders 19 years ago. After 19 years I don't see him changing for the better. Of course his doctors don't see it when he switches like that, because Michael Hayes takes extreme caution in hiding his behavior from his doctors. After all he wants to convince them and the courts that he is well in hopes that they will set him free.
Maria
Maria
Here is a link to the article by Scott Sexton in today's newspaper regarding Michael Hayes going to see our documentary at the Halloween festival at Mordecai Historic Park last week. I think Scott presented an excellent story about it!!!!! He really put it together well. What I like most about it and found VERY interesting is how Scott fully grasped the situation involving the freedom Michael Hayes has to go anywhere in public he wants to go and how that affects people when they encounter him. Hayes' attorney missed the point altogether!!!!!! Karl Knusden said "I don't know why anybody is surprised to see him out, "There was a considerable amount of attention paid during the course of the hearing. It's (extended visitation) part of his treatment plan and has been in place for some time." But Scott Sexton's reply hit the nail on the head when he said True, but it's not every day that people come face-to-face with a killer at a public Halloween festival featuring a film about grizzly killings and wind up exchanging small talk. As I said in an earlier post, knowing he is free to work and go out in public when and where he pleases is one thing. But it's a whole different experience when you encounter him in person, especially on a dark night. If Karl Knusden is so comfortable with Michael Hayes being out here unsupervised, why doesn't he invite him over to his house for supper. It's like coming face to face with Jack the Ripper or Charlie Lawson. It's unnerving no matter what people think it might be like. The brain goes into panic mode temporarily and you have to stop and process it all. If you're one of those whose loved one was their victim the panic mode is severe and permanent. Not to mention the fact that to have so much freedom like that when you killed so many people is downright unfair. It says our justice system is sadly broken. Anyway, I'm really pleased with Scott Sexton's article.
www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagenane=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_ColumnistArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353369236
Maria
11/04/07 at 09:24 AM
Michael818
OK, Mr. Sexton did indeed do this subject some justice. It puts the fact of his limited freedoms out there, and shows what we think. This one was good. I haven't forgotten about that article I mentioned to you, Maria, I just can't, but he was really good here.
Michael R.
Michael818
11/04/07 at 09:30 AM
Maria
Indeed he was Michael. But I knew he would be, that's why he was my first choice for this story. I'm glad you like it.
Maria
11/04/07 at 11:22 AM
doodlebug
I just got home with the paper and was reading the article in the car....very good article! I He really did drive a few points home and the more that articles like this are written, the less chance that Michael Hayes has of walking the streets!
doodlebug
11/04/07 at 02:18 PM
ecalhoun
Good job getting the word out, mom! I enjoyed the article and the fact that Sexton got what the lawyer didn't about the reality of running into a killer in public being very different than hearing about it on the news.
Matt
ecalhoun
11/04/07 at 03:51 PM
hillbillyghosthunter
Maria good for you for standing up. I agree with you 100%. I am happy they published that article.
hillbillyghosthunter
11/04/07 at 05:23 PM
Michael818
You know, I wonder how that ***%&$@# lawyer would feel about it if it were someone he knew or loved who was murdered so coldly and brazenly, then HE ran into the %%$$%*&'"' out in public!
Michael R.
Michael818
11/04/07 at 05:36 PM
Maria
It would make a big difference I'm sure. But Karl Knusdan's role in all of this is to defend Michael Hayes and at that he's proven to be an excellent lawyer.
Maria
11/04/07 at 06:32 PM
NascarLover
Hey Maria, I just got back from Mrs. Miller's wake. I stopped and got you a paper with the article in it. I just read it in here though. It's very good. I like what Scott Sexton said a lot. I agree with you and Matt with what you said about it being different hearing and knowing that Michael Hayes is allowed to be out side the hospital so much and without supervision and running into him when he is out. It makes me real mad just to know he's out so I would be a lot more upset if I ran into him. I don't know what 1 would do if I were to see him face to face but whatever It would be he would not like it I guarantee you that.
T.C. Bowman
NascarLover
11/05/07 at 01:27 PM
Angel71242
The article was great...thanks for working to get it published Maria!
Angel71242
11/05/07 at 01:39 PM
Maria
All I did was call him..he did all the work!!
Maria
11/05/07 at 02:36 PM
LindaF
Wow, what a great article! I was at the event, but I didn't find out until later from Maria about Hayes being there and sitting just a few rows behind me during the screening. EGAD!
My favorite lines in the article are these two from Scott and then Maria:
"True, but it's not every day that people come face-to-face with a killer at a public Halloween festival featuring a film about grisly killings and wind up exchanging small talk."
"People already know he's allowed to work outside the hospital and go home," Hodges said. "But what takes you by surprise is when he shows up at a public gathering like that."
Linda
11/05/07 at 02:44 PM
Maria
Thank you Linda. I'm glad you got to see the documentary without knowing he was there!!! And I'm very glad you've joined our forum here.
Maria
11/05/07 at 03:41 PM
Michael818
Now, now. Doing something to Michael Hayes if you ran into him would do neither you nor your family any good. I assure you, you would go to jail too. Don't think so? Do it and see. I agree, he DESERVES to have something done to him, but that's not our place. Unless... you can do it and not get caught!
Michael R.
11/05/07 at 03:54 PM
doodlebug
The comment his lawyer made about not knowing why anyone is surprised to see him out.... Intellectually, you may know he has this freedom, it just takes something like this to show the reality of it. Knowing he had the ability to go out into public unmonitored is entirely different than running into him face to face...... Seeing his picture in the paper or seeing him on TV is so different than actually looking into the eyes of a monster.
doodlebug
11/05/07 at 05:20 PM
Maria
It really is Doodlebug. I never thought about it what it would feel like to see him before but when I saw him standing only inches from my face I froze. It just felt wrong to be face to face in such a place with someone who killed 4 people and was judged to be insane. I remember after I learned about what Charlie Lawson did and I saw that photo of him right after wards, I looked at his eyes and a coldness crept over me and I started shaking. And that was just looking at a picture of him. It no longer has that effect on me when I look at it but that's because I've seen it so many times and because he's dead and can't hurt me.
Maria
11/17/07 at 04:28 PM
Michael818
You know what, guys? I don't remember which edition it was, but there was a letter to the editor last week about Scott Sexton's article. The mor*** actually defended the system and the doctors trying to release the nutziod!!!!!! Can you believe it? Arrrrrrgh!!!!! Some people are just TOO bleeding liberal!!!!!
Michael R.
11/17/07 at 04:32 PM
Maria
I saw that. It's so easy to tell others how they should handle something that they themselves have never handled. I wrote him off as a fruit loop. Basically he was saying can't we all just forgive and forget and get along. I thought at first it was from Rodney King.
Maria
11/17/07 at 04:35 PM
Michael818
Rodney King?! Oh my GAWD!!!! Now THAT is funny!
Michael R.
01/03/08 at 07:09 AM
Maria
R.B Nicholson whose son was one of Michael Hayes's victims wrote this letter to the Winston-Salem Journal which is in today's edition. It echos my feelings exactly. Mr. Nicholson has been the most vocal of all the family members who lost a loved one that day to the insane behavior of Michael Hayes. He has never missed a single hearing for Michael Hayes regarding his release from Dorothea Dix Mental Hospital for the criminally insane. He has been instrumental in helping keep Mr. Hayes confined to the hospital for these past 20 years. I quote Mr. Nicholson's exact words here below:
Scott Sexton appreciates the abiding concern of the citizens of Forsyth, and several adjoining counties, for the Michael Hayes abomination ("Mail me ... " Dec. 20); the festering wound that neither time, nor the platitudes of the mental doctors, can heal. The fact is self-evident that Hayes wantonly murdered four people for no logical reason. Like Lady Macbeth, his hands will be forever stained with his victim's blood.
The simplistic opinion from G.B., which Sexton answered, assumes that the 1988 atrocity resulted from a brief psychotic break by Hayes. But the truth is that the Old Salisbury Road shootings were a statement of the abiding personality of Hayes; the person he was and always will be.
R.B. NICHOLSON
Winston-Salem
This person whose initials are G.B. and his simplistic view of Michael Hayes's illness that Mr. Nicholson and Scott Sexton were referring to was and I quote:
"If we put the emotional reactions aside, we can see that Michael Hayes has suffered, grown, aged, learned and benefited from the therapies he has received in Dorothea Dix Hospital," wrote G.B. That may be true, G.B., but I still don't want Hayes living in my neighborhood.
Scott Sexton
Maria
01/03/08 at 11:46 AM
Angel71242
Thank God for people like R.B Nicholson who help keep a murderer confined.
As for G.B. - if Michael Hayes had killed this person's son or daughter or spouse I bet they would feel differently. And I love Scott Sexton's reply to G.B.!!
Angel71242
01/03/08 at 11:57 AM
Maria
I really believe if it weren't for R.B. Nicholson Michael Hayes would have been released a good while ago. Victims impact statements have a lot of clout in matters such as the release of murderers. Leslie Van Houghton who participated in the Tate and La-Bianca murders engineered by Charles Manson nearly 40 years ago has been denied parole every year these past 25 years because of Sharon Tate's sister who has attended every single one of Van Houghtons parole hearings and has vehemently protested it.
Maria
01/03/08 at 04:22 PM
sissy
I feel so sorry for R. B. Nicholson. His son died and the man who killed him can walk around in public. I don't agree with temporary insanity pleas. I think if you snap and go crazy and kill somebody you are not going to be fine in a couple of hours.
sissy
01/06/08 at 03:18 PM
Michael818
I do not feel sorry for Hayes at all. He should suffer for all the lives he took, as well as the broken lives left behind by
those he killed. He should NEVER see green grass outside confinement walls again! I am glad this man keeps working
to keep this monster put away. His loss can NEVER be replaced, but he is seeing to it that this particular monster
doesn't hurt anyone else as long as he can. Though he probably doesn't think so, Mr. Nicholson is a hero!
Michael R.
01/06/08 at 06:20 PM
Maria
I agree 100% with R.B. Nicholson where he said: "The Old Salisbury Road shootings were a statement of the abiding personality of Hayes; who he was and who he always will be." I saw the 180 degree change from charming, polite, soft spoken, easy going Michael Hayes to the enraged, harsh tone voice, uptight Hayes in a short period of time. And that tells me that he is the same sick man he was when he committed those murders 19 years ago. After 19 years I don't see him changing for the better. Of course his doctors don't see it when he switches like that, because Michael Hayes takes extreme caution in hiding his behavior from his doctors. After all he wants to convince them and the courts that he is well in hopes that they will set him free.
Maria