Post by Brian on Apr 29, 2013 21:59:05 GMT -5
12/14/07 at 10:22 AM
Maria
It's been said by a number of relatives that in the 3 weeks before the murders Charlie Lawson repeatedly jumped up at all hours of the night to check his guns. I use to wonder why. Now I know why. The belief by Gene Lawson that Charlie killed his family and himself because he was terrified that Dr. Helsabeck was going to take him away from his family explains the checking of his guns for me. I bet Charlie thought that someone, probably Arthur, was going to disable his guns or do something to his guns to prevent him from being able to use them. That makes a world of sense to me. Much like taking or hiding a drunk person's car keys to keep them from driving drunk and killing someone in the process. Changing the locks on a battered spouse's house to keep the batterer from getting in to harm them, etc, etc. This re-enforces my belief that we now have the answer to Why? Why? Why? did Charlie Lawson kill his family.
Maria
12/14/07 at 10:32 AM
Angel71242
That makes sense to me.
I was going to say I wonder why the family DIDN'T do that - take his ammo or mess his guns up somehow if they thought he was messed up so bad he needed to see a psychiatrist - but then I remembered that they are the ones that cried for him NOT to go get help.
Angel71242
12/14/07 at 10:53 AM
Maria
It probably never entered Fannie's and the children's minds that he would kill them. Cause them some worry and anxiety over his behavior, yes. But kill them? No. I think Dr. Helsabeck believed Charlie needed to talk with a psychiatrist and even spend some time in the hospital. But I don't believe he planned on permanently removing Charlie from his family. I think that was what Charlie believed Dr. Helsabeck intended to do however and that was what counted. And I don't think it crossed Arthur's mind to disable the guns, but here again I think Charlie believed that Arthur was going to do that.
Maria
12/14/07 at 11:01 AM
Angel71242
Exactly! And not only did Charlie believe he would be taken away permanently, but apparently his wife and children also believed this. And they certainly must not have believed that he would kill them or they wouldn't have begged for him not to be taken away!
I also agree with you that Charlie was probably suspicious of Arthur in his (in the end) warped way of thinking.
Angel71242
12/30/07 at 10:27 AM
Maria
As for Charlie jumping up all during the night to check on his guns I read somewhere recently that he had his guns checked and cleaned by a gunsmith a few weeks before Christmas. I think his obsession with his guns in those last 3 weeks before Christmas went above and beyond just taking good care of those guns. I think he knew in the last 3 weeks what he was going to do with those guns.
Maria
12/30/07 at 05:07 PM
Angel71242
I absolutely agree!
Angel71242
01/04/08 at 08:08 AM
Maria
Yet Charlie's obsession with his guns did not prevent him from ruining 2 of those guns, the rifle which jammed and the double barreled shotgun which was damaged or broken. He was obsessed with keeping them in perfect condition for only one reason, to use them to kill his wife and children. Once he accomplished that he cared nothing for them. He left only one working, the single barrel shotgun which he turned on himself and could not be ruined by him. Was he trying to keep those guns from ever being used on anyone else in the future? I find it ironic that the one he used to kill himself with, the single barreled one left undamaged was almost destroyed too when it was thrown into the fire. Today that gun has never been used again to kill with. So whether that was the reason he ruined them or not, 2 of those guns accomplished that very thing. They were never able to kill again.
Maria
01/04/08 at 11:47 AM
Angel71242
Isn't that something! I'm glad those guns will never kill again. As for the third, that's something too that it was almost destroyed. I hope that it also will never kill again.
Angel71242
01/04/08 at 03:49 PM
sissy
I'm glad we got to see the gun. It is a piece of history.
sissy
01/04/08 at 05:17 PM
Angel71242
Me tool That was quite incredible.
Angel71242
01/05/08 at 08:58 AM
Maria
For me it went way beyond just getting to see it. Holding it in my hands, heavy though it was, knowing that the very hands of Charlie Lawson had held this same gun in his hands many times though for a purpose completely different from mine, brought history to life for me. The faces of Fannie and her children, in particular Maybell for some reason, came sharply into focus and I shuddered. For I could feel in some strange way, their terror and confusion as they were struck down. You can never forget Fannie Lawson and her children once you've held that gun in your hands.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:33 AM
Michael818
Many people who are sensitive can detect trace elements like that when they touch things. Made your skin crawl a bit, I'll bet! Maybelle may have come into sharper focus because either a.) she was the last to die at its shot (not sure about that), or b.) she, or a shade of her lingers still in this world. Not her soul, per se, but a "recording" of her essence, if you will.
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:43 AM
Maria
If I have my sequence right Maybell was the second one to die and Marylou was the last one. Maybell was shot in the back as she fled right after Charlie shot Carrie who was the first to die. Mind you Carrie was the only one shot with the rifle which I have not seen or held and Maybell was the first one shot with the single barrel shot gun which is the one I held. But I was more drawn to Maybell long before I ever held the shotgun.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:48 AM
Michael818
I'm sorry, Maria, that was my fault. I meant the last one killed with that particular weapon. In any event, since you were drawn to her long before, it probably something residual from her.
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:55 AM
Maria
I really hate to point this out Michael
but Marie was the last one shot with that gun. Carrie was the only one
shot with the rifle. Fannie, Maybell, and Marie were shot with the shotgun. It may be something in the water you
drank this morning.
Maria
01/06/08 at 01:03 PM
Michael818
I AM dreeling a little funk! Hi-up!
Just kidding! Can't touch the stuff! Never have been completely straight about those guns. Sorry 
Michael R.
Michael818
01/07/08 at 12:18 PM
Angel71242
It does get confusing!! I always have to check back before posting something about the guns.
Angel71242
Maria
It's been said by a number of relatives that in the 3 weeks before the murders Charlie Lawson repeatedly jumped up at all hours of the night to check his guns. I use to wonder why. Now I know why. The belief by Gene Lawson that Charlie killed his family and himself because he was terrified that Dr. Helsabeck was going to take him away from his family explains the checking of his guns for me. I bet Charlie thought that someone, probably Arthur, was going to disable his guns or do something to his guns to prevent him from being able to use them. That makes a world of sense to me. Much like taking or hiding a drunk person's car keys to keep them from driving drunk and killing someone in the process. Changing the locks on a battered spouse's house to keep the batterer from getting in to harm them, etc, etc. This re-enforces my belief that we now have the answer to Why? Why? Why? did Charlie Lawson kill his family.
Maria
12/14/07 at 10:32 AM
Angel71242
That makes sense to me.
I was going to say I wonder why the family DIDN'T do that - take his ammo or mess his guns up somehow if they thought he was messed up so bad he needed to see a psychiatrist - but then I remembered that they are the ones that cried for him NOT to go get help.
Angel71242
12/14/07 at 10:53 AM
Maria
It probably never entered Fannie's and the children's minds that he would kill them. Cause them some worry and anxiety over his behavior, yes. But kill them? No. I think Dr. Helsabeck believed Charlie needed to talk with a psychiatrist and even spend some time in the hospital. But I don't believe he planned on permanently removing Charlie from his family. I think that was what Charlie believed Dr. Helsabeck intended to do however and that was what counted. And I don't think it crossed Arthur's mind to disable the guns, but here again I think Charlie believed that Arthur was going to do that.
Maria
12/14/07 at 11:01 AM
Angel71242
Exactly! And not only did Charlie believe he would be taken away permanently, but apparently his wife and children also believed this. And they certainly must not have believed that he would kill them or they wouldn't have begged for him not to be taken away!
I also agree with you that Charlie was probably suspicious of Arthur in his (in the end) warped way of thinking.
Angel71242
12/30/07 at 10:27 AM
Maria
As for Charlie jumping up all during the night to check on his guns I read somewhere recently that he had his guns checked and cleaned by a gunsmith a few weeks before Christmas. I think his obsession with his guns in those last 3 weeks before Christmas went above and beyond just taking good care of those guns. I think he knew in the last 3 weeks what he was going to do with those guns.
Maria
12/30/07 at 05:07 PM
Angel71242
I absolutely agree!
Angel71242
01/04/08 at 08:08 AM
Maria
Yet Charlie's obsession with his guns did not prevent him from ruining 2 of those guns, the rifle which jammed and the double barreled shotgun which was damaged or broken. He was obsessed with keeping them in perfect condition for only one reason, to use them to kill his wife and children. Once he accomplished that he cared nothing for them. He left only one working, the single barrel shotgun which he turned on himself and could not be ruined by him. Was he trying to keep those guns from ever being used on anyone else in the future? I find it ironic that the one he used to kill himself with, the single barreled one left undamaged was almost destroyed too when it was thrown into the fire. Today that gun has never been used again to kill with. So whether that was the reason he ruined them or not, 2 of those guns accomplished that very thing. They were never able to kill again.
Maria
01/04/08 at 11:47 AM
Angel71242
Isn't that something! I'm glad those guns will never kill again. As for the third, that's something too that it was almost destroyed. I hope that it also will never kill again.
Angel71242
01/04/08 at 03:49 PM
sissy
I'm glad we got to see the gun. It is a piece of history.
sissy
01/04/08 at 05:17 PM
Angel71242
Me tool That was quite incredible.
Angel71242
01/05/08 at 08:58 AM
Maria
For me it went way beyond just getting to see it. Holding it in my hands, heavy though it was, knowing that the very hands of Charlie Lawson had held this same gun in his hands many times though for a purpose completely different from mine, brought history to life for me. The faces of Fannie and her children, in particular Maybell for some reason, came sharply into focus and I shuddered. For I could feel in some strange way, their terror and confusion as they were struck down. You can never forget Fannie Lawson and her children once you've held that gun in your hands.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:33 AM
Michael818
Many people who are sensitive can detect trace elements like that when they touch things. Made your skin crawl a bit, I'll bet! Maybelle may have come into sharper focus because either a.) she was the last to die at its shot (not sure about that), or b.) she, or a shade of her lingers still in this world. Not her soul, per se, but a "recording" of her essence, if you will.
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:43 AM
Maria
If I have my sequence right Maybell was the second one to die and Marylou was the last one. Maybell was shot in the back as she fled right after Charlie shot Carrie who was the first to die. Mind you Carrie was the only one shot with the rifle which I have not seen or held and Maybell was the first one shot with the single barrel shot gun which is the one I held. But I was more drawn to Maybell long before I ever held the shotgun.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:48 AM
Michael818
I'm sorry, Maria, that was my fault. I meant the last one killed with that particular weapon. In any event, since you were drawn to her long before, it probably something residual from her.
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:55 AM
Maria
I really hate to point this out Michael
but Marie was the last one shot with that gun. Carrie was the only oneshot with the rifle. Fannie, Maybell, and Marie were shot with the shotgun. It may be something in the water you
drank this morning.
Maria
01/06/08 at 01:03 PM
Michael818
I AM dreeling a little funk! Hi-up!
Just kidding! Can't touch the stuff! Never have been completely straight about those guns. Sorry 
Michael R.
Michael818
01/07/08 at 12:18 PM
Angel71242
It does get confusing!! I always have to check back before posting something about the guns.
Angel71242