What is Submission

[Brian]

01/20/07 at 11:45 AM
ladebug
I have always heard wives be submissive to thy husbands but..I do believe we get religion and interpretations of this phrase mixed up terribly when we believe it to mean "let us allow our spouse to violate our self respect and human worth. Somehow if this is what "God" wanted us to believe i would leave any church because this would not be the God I believe in.
Ladebug

01/20/07 at 12:51 PM
Maria
I hope this Isn't sacrilegious, if so I apologize sincerely right now. BUT. the Bible was written by men!!!!!!! Or predominately so anyway. And though I believe it was written under the guidance and direction of the Holy Spirit, our individual interpretations of the Scriptures are not!!!!!! I think I may have opened a can of worms here by guoting a verse of scripture here. Religion is not a topic that comes easily for me. especially in a public forum.
Maria

01/28/07 at 10:27 AM
angiemac4
Maria,
Religion is one of my fav subjects. And I love to debate the issue, I recently completed a college course called religions of the world, there are so many and Christianity is a new one comparatively speaking, i agree that the Bible was written by MEN and their views on WOMEN at the time the Bible was written is defiantly reflected in the Scripture. There where many books just completely left out including the Mary Magdalen book which has recently been recognized by the Catholic church. The actual history of the Bible is that it was commissioned by the Roman ruler Constine, who was a pagan until he at last converted on his death bed. No women where involved in the writing, and it seems to me that there are many women in general got a bad wrap. I do believe in God and Jesus but I think most people read what they want to in the text of the Bible it is all left to interruption.
Angie

[debbie]

"Scripture does not define submission as mindless obedience to a husband's every wish or demand. Nor is it avoiding an argument at all cost. Instead, submission is a deep commitment to a person. It is choosing to work with one's mate in a way that promotes oneness. A married couple becomes one flesh and must work as a team ( Genesis 1:26 ). Constant fighting and arguing works against a couple trying to become unified."

www.rbc.org/questionsDetail.aspx?id=45894&Topic=598

[smpyrtle]

Vickie, I just went to the link that you posted and it was excellent in explaining what a marriage should be. I do not believe women were meant to be abused. At the time that Fannie lived unfortunately a lot of women were abused and it was felt to be ok because the husband had a right to do this. Of course it does still happen but doesn't seem to be as widespread because a husband can now be arrested for this. Unfortunately a lot of women will hide the abuse and feel they don't have anywhere to go for help. Most of the time when Fannie lived the family will not get involved. When I was a girl I heard the phrase "she made her bed now she can lie in it" whenever there was marital problems. A lot of help that did.

[angel71242]

That is an excellent link Vickie! Just perfect for this thread!

[Brian]

The bible does say for women to submit to their husband. But what is usually forgotten or overlooked is the next verse that tells husbands to love your wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her... To me this means the husband does NOT have free reign to do as he pleases. Nor does it mean husband and wife cannot discuss things. Of course, the wife's opinion MUST be considered. She should be able speak her mind and have input into any decision. And it does not mean she is his property to be abused.

The husband must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

[angel71242]

You go Brian!

And let's not forget..."Do unto other's as you would have them do unto you" (.Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them (Matthew 7:12; cf. Luke 6:31)). I'm sure that applies to husband and wife also.