Post by Brian on Jul 4, 2014 21:28:14 GMT -5
01/26/07 at 06:22 PM
iluvnumber3
I was just curious about not seeing any women in the newspaper photo that depicts the caskets on display in town. Were women and children not allowed to visit the display? Just curious.
iluvnumber3
01/26/07 at 06:46 PM
Maria
Hi,
Actually the open caskets on display was held in a funeral home in Madison and hundreds of people lined up to view the bodies. This included women and children. One lady we interviewed told us how she and her parents and grandparents went to the viewing at the funeral home and that she remembered her father picking her up and holding her on his shoulders so she could peer into the caskets. She said she was five years old and that she remembered her mother saying how pretty Marie's hair looked. Another woman we interviewed said she remembered attending the funeral at the cemetery when she was 15 and told how the caskets were opened for 3 hours while people filed by to see the bodies.So there were definitely women and girls there at the cemetery. There were over 5,000 people there that day although the photo shows only the men who were nearest the caskets.
Maria
01/29/07 at 06:37 PM
iluvnumber3
Thank you so much for your response.
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 12:27 PM
sissy
Other than the viewing at the cemetery was there a public viewing of the bodies? I know most people have family nights now did they do that back then? Okay I had a duh moment there. I thought they just had the viewing at the cemetery, and that they did not have a formal viewing at the funeral home. Should have read the other post again before I asked the question.
sissy
01/30/07 at 12:33 PM
Maria
Other than the viewing at the Funeral Home in Madison and the Cemetery I don't believe there were any other viewings.
Maria
01/30/07 at 06:43 PM
linda
I haven't read the second book yet but what happened to Arthur's children and how many did he have. Maybe he told them what really happened.
linda smith
01/30/07 at 07:17 PM
iluvnumber3
Hey Mama!!!
Arthur had four children and a wife named Nina. After his car accident/death, they moved to CA. The murders were not discussed around their family. Other people can tell you more, I am sure......maybe Marie can...
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 07:19 PM ยป\ #3
iluvnumber3
I meant maybe "Maria" can explain more......not Marie, sorry.
Holly
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 07:31 PM
Maria
Hi,
Arthur married Nina Bibey and they had 3 daughters and 1 son. Their names are Nancy Anniese, Patricia Lavon, Victoria Maybell, and James Arthur, JR. After Arthur's death in 1945 Nina moved to Greensboro where she got a job and lived there for 2 years. She and the children then moved to California. Nina died in 1982. As far as I have been able to determine he did not talk to his children about the murders because you have to remember that when Arthur died in 1945 his son was not quite a year old, Maybell was two or three, Patricia was around 5 and the oldest child was only 6 or 7 years old. Much too young to talk to them. Whether or not he told Nina I don't know. His other relatives and friends and neighbors said that Arthur never talked about what had happened to anyone they knew of and some of his family members said that they were admonished not to mention anything about it to him.
Maria
01/30/07 at 07:32 PM
ecalhoun
Back to the original question, about women at the funeral. They were pushed back to the edge for the picture, true, but there were many, many women there that day. Women on the farm had many fewer social outlets than the men, who were the ones who went to the store. If you think the stereotype is a bunch of ladies shopping and gossiping, it used to be the other way around! We heard lots of stories about how when the men went to the store, they would hang around for a long time trading news (and gossip). Besides church, funerals were one of the only events that women got to go to.
Break of Dawn Productions
"Bringing Light to the Darkest Night"
ecalhoun
01/05/08 at 10:05 AM
Maria
Other socials included barn dances and corn shuckings. I know women attended the dances but am not sure about the corn shuckings. I know that the women prepared the massive amount of food for the corn shuckings though. The foods included such dishes as stewed rabbit or squirrel, gravy, fried chicken, platters of ham, green beans, corn, biscuits, cornbread, and all kinds of pies and cakes. I sure hope the women got to attend those corn shuckings after going to that much trouble!! There was also an account of a surprise birthday party held in 1929 for Sadie Hampton. Women attended that as well.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:41 AM
Michael818
Hey Maria. Arthur's first name was James. They had a second child named James. What gives? I know in recent years, prima donna like George Foreman have named several children with the same name, but it seems a little out of place here. I mean, Peter and Catherine named several boys Peter and Paul, but none survived to adulthood to become Tsar. Why did Charlie and Fannie name two sons James?
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:48 AM
Maria
If I knew James' second name I might could say. But I don't. Now if they were both named James Arthur I would be thinking something strange was going on there. But without his middle name I have no idea. The other strange thing about their second son James' name was that when he was born Fannie did not name him right then as she did with all her other children. It was weeks or months later when he received the name James.
Maria
01/19/08 at 08:40 PM
Maria
In the Danbury Reporter it list's James' name as James William or William James. If William was the other half of James' name then James received both of his names from 2 of his brothers, James Arthur and William Sanders. William was not listed on James' birth certificate but the reporter may have been told by a relative that William was his other name or it could have been that when someone was telling the reporter the names of Charlie's children they could have said Raymond, Marylou, Marie, James, William, meaning that they'd had a son named William who had died and the reporter in an attempt to account for 6 children listed as dead thought that
James was James William.
Maria
iluvnumber3
I was just curious about not seeing any women in the newspaper photo that depicts the caskets on display in town. Were women and children not allowed to visit the display? Just curious.
iluvnumber3
01/26/07 at 06:46 PM
Maria
Hi,
Actually the open caskets on display was held in a funeral home in Madison and hundreds of people lined up to view the bodies. This included women and children. One lady we interviewed told us how she and her parents and grandparents went to the viewing at the funeral home and that she remembered her father picking her up and holding her on his shoulders so she could peer into the caskets. She said she was five years old and that she remembered her mother saying how pretty Marie's hair looked. Another woman we interviewed said she remembered attending the funeral at the cemetery when she was 15 and told how the caskets were opened for 3 hours while people filed by to see the bodies.So there were definitely women and girls there at the cemetery. There were over 5,000 people there that day although the photo shows only the men who were nearest the caskets.
Maria
01/29/07 at 06:37 PM
iluvnumber3
Thank you so much for your response.
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 12:27 PM
sissy
Other than the viewing at the cemetery was there a public viewing of the bodies? I know most people have family nights now did they do that back then? Okay I had a duh moment there. I thought they just had the viewing at the cemetery, and that they did not have a formal viewing at the funeral home. Should have read the other post again before I asked the question.
sissy
01/30/07 at 12:33 PM
Maria
Other than the viewing at the Funeral Home in Madison and the Cemetery I don't believe there were any other viewings.
Maria
01/30/07 at 06:43 PM
linda
I haven't read the second book yet but what happened to Arthur's children and how many did he have. Maybe he told them what really happened.
linda smith
01/30/07 at 07:17 PM
iluvnumber3
Hey Mama!!!
Arthur had four children and a wife named Nina. After his car accident/death, they moved to CA. The murders were not discussed around their family. Other people can tell you more, I am sure......maybe Marie can...
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 07:19 PM ยป\ #3
iluvnumber3
I meant maybe "Maria" can explain more......not Marie, sorry.
Holly
iluvnumber3
01/30/07 at 07:31 PM
Maria
Hi,
Arthur married Nina Bibey and they had 3 daughters and 1 son. Their names are Nancy Anniese, Patricia Lavon, Victoria Maybell, and James Arthur, JR. After Arthur's death in 1945 Nina moved to Greensboro where she got a job and lived there for 2 years. She and the children then moved to California. Nina died in 1982. As far as I have been able to determine he did not talk to his children about the murders because you have to remember that when Arthur died in 1945 his son was not quite a year old, Maybell was two or three, Patricia was around 5 and the oldest child was only 6 or 7 years old. Much too young to talk to them. Whether or not he told Nina I don't know. His other relatives and friends and neighbors said that Arthur never talked about what had happened to anyone they knew of and some of his family members said that they were admonished not to mention anything about it to him.
Maria
01/30/07 at 07:32 PM
ecalhoun
Back to the original question, about women at the funeral. They were pushed back to the edge for the picture, true, but there were many, many women there that day. Women on the farm had many fewer social outlets than the men, who were the ones who went to the store. If you think the stereotype is a bunch of ladies shopping and gossiping, it used to be the other way around! We heard lots of stories about how when the men went to the store, they would hang around for a long time trading news (and gossip). Besides church, funerals were one of the only events that women got to go to.
Break of Dawn Productions
"Bringing Light to the Darkest Night"
ecalhoun
01/05/08 at 10:05 AM
Maria
Other socials included barn dances and corn shuckings. I know women attended the dances but am not sure about the corn shuckings. I know that the women prepared the massive amount of food for the corn shuckings though. The foods included such dishes as stewed rabbit or squirrel, gravy, fried chicken, platters of ham, green beans, corn, biscuits, cornbread, and all kinds of pies and cakes. I sure hope the women got to attend those corn shuckings after going to that much trouble!! There was also an account of a surprise birthday party held in 1929 for Sadie Hampton. Women attended that as well.
Maria
01/06/08 at 11:41 AM
Michael818
Hey Maria. Arthur's first name was James. They had a second child named James. What gives? I know in recent years, prima donna like George Foreman have named several children with the same name, but it seems a little out of place here. I mean, Peter and Catherine named several boys Peter and Paul, but none survived to adulthood to become Tsar. Why did Charlie and Fannie name two sons James?
Michael R.
Michael818
01/06/08 at 11:48 AM
Maria
If I knew James' second name I might could say. But I don't. Now if they were both named James Arthur I would be thinking something strange was going on there. But without his middle name I have no idea. The other strange thing about their second son James' name was that when he was born Fannie did not name him right then as she did with all her other children. It was weeks or months later when he received the name James.
Maria
01/19/08 at 08:40 PM
Maria
In the Danbury Reporter it list's James' name as James William or William James. If William was the other half of James' name then James received both of his names from 2 of his brothers, James Arthur and William Sanders. William was not listed on James' birth certificate but the reporter may have been told by a relative that William was his other name or it could have been that when someone was telling the reporter the names of Charlie's children they could have said Raymond, Marylou, Marie, James, William, meaning that they'd had a son named William who had died and the reporter in an attempt to account for 6 children listed as dead thought that
James was James William.
Maria